From: Ash's Corner@ashtro.ca [mailto:kas@ashtro.ca]
Sent: Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:36 PM
To: 'ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.
Dear Sreenadh ji,
Thank you for your mail.
What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.
Cheers !!!
Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca
From: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sreenadh
Sent: Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM
To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.
Dear Ash ji,
Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -
* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self inflicted.
Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means that the native’s individuality is very weak. This is the basic point. There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the “birth of a question” instead of “birth of a native”, so Prashna is application of Jyotish to a “question” and limited to the question only. The Prashna question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house matter.
* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.
Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together), means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.
* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and survival even in face of danger.
Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house (C) then those planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.
So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me also have very long MD’s so if they cannot give death and will only give struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u stronger J So again what I am saying and what “Traditional Jyotish” is very much the same.
Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet for any house, then we already have considered
1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)
2) Upchay house (A, B, C)
3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10 relationship
4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5 points
5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)
6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)
7) We find that for all 7 planets.
8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative positioning from each other and lagna.
After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the angles are covered.
These are all standard rules ser per classics.
* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much depend on environment and influences.
Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me and Natural 10th is Shani.
It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not give up easily.
Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily points.
I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done this study.
Also a chart of Souvik dutta’s list closure (death) was done by me on this list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.
Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).
Love and regards,
Sreenadh
Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture. Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said, if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death, therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions). Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD’s .
