My First Personal Meeting with Guru ji - 4th Aug 2003

Dear List Members,

I feel that I am very lucky and honored to have met Krushnaji in
person.

Krushnaji I would like to thank you for taking so much time despite
your busy schedule and teaching me.

I had spent three days with Krushnaji having discussions and learning
Ashtakavarga. Krushnaji has such a deep understanding of the system
and with crystal clear thoughts. I would like to share my experience
with the group.

On the first day when I visited Krushnaji, a couple had visited
Krushnaji with the chart of their son. I had realised later on it
was some big ministers relatives. The couple had created the
worksheet and had brought it with them. I sat there and saw
Krushnaji focus with deep concentration on the chart and not say a
word. After looking at the chart and the points he asked me to take
a look and answer the questions. So under the supervision of
Krushnaji I answered the question. I also learnt how specificially
Krushnaji answered the question and to the point. The couple then
asked a some more questions and Krushnaji answered them. The couple
then offered Krushnaji money but Krushnaji said to them to donate it
to charity.

Later on I learnt that a student of Krushnaji was approached by a
minister as their son was lost and Krushnajis student had faxed the
chart of the lost son. Krushnaji had made a prashna analysis using
Krushnas Ashtakavarga system and predicted that the child would be
found after 3 months on such and such date only. This he had told
his student who was in a different city. The same message was
relayed to the querist. Then after 3 months on THAT DAY ITSELF the
message was revived that the lost son was found !!! Every one had
praised Krushnajis student for predicting correctly but his sincere
student announced that it was his Guru, Krushnaji who had actually
predicted.

In another discussion I had with Krushnaji, he explained in short
that there was a huge theory behind House A,B,C and D and E. He had
received one of the highest jyotish awards in the India and also was
offerend a PhD for his system by Sri Lankan University and he was
offered to fly there and receive the honour but due to the situation
beyond his reach he was not able to go and receive the Doctorate.

For all these things I really had to ask so many questions only then
he said about all the awards and titles he had recived. Such a
humble man is Krushnaji.

Krushnaji taught me and clarified thigns that were not clear in my
mind for so long became instantly clear when he took the pen and
paper and started to explain. In next few mails I shall discuss the
same with the list members so that I can share what I have learned so
that everyone can benefit from the same.

After the second day Krushnaji had gauged my knowledge and areas
where I needed practice and some of my questions Krushnaji had told
to hold off as I was not ready as yet to proceed to that level as it
would just confuse me. He was right. He did try to demonstrate by
telling me something which I did not understand and in order to
understand things to that much depth one had to have the fundamentals
clear.

Krushnaji then explained to me that hes taught 80% of the system
already. If students focus on whats been taught so far and practice
on the same using various charts then even with whats taught one can
predict to a very accurate level.

Now whats left is going into finer details. For that Krushnaji even
uses charts upto Nadiamsa or D-150 but those are for very fine
predictions.

I also got to see Krushnaji's library of books. Let me tell you that
it would one a long long time to just go through that collection !!!

Then on the 2nd day I realised that Krushnaji had also authored a
book on timing of marriage. These books were written in Marathi. He
also was in the process of writing another book on Nadis in details
but due to lack of time he was not able to finish it.

On the second day Krushnaji took the chart of Lord Ram and he had
explained with the use of Vimshottari dasa on how events of Lord Rams
chart fitted i.e. his Marriage to Sita, his vanvas (of 14 years) and
simultaneously his fathers death, separation from his wife (kidnapped
by Ravan), birth of children in his absence reasons for being
Mahapurusha etc on how things fit exactly if one understood Houses
A,B,C,D and E and Vimshottari Dasa starting from Moon only. We had
focussed on the timing and Krushnaji had worked on Sri Ramas chart in
his book also. Since Its in Marathi and my knowledge of Marathi was
a little rustic (still is) its taking me a little longer to
understand and it also made me realise that it must have been such a
huge task for Krushnaji to teach despite language barriers to
students with different mother tongue like French, English etc and
that too a system which is Math based and does not have stories
linked to it.

I was like in awe to see all the computations that Krushnaji did in
his mind. Like based on degrees he told me that this planet is in
such and such division in the various divisional chart and such and
such is the status and such and such is the points and such and such
is the exact vimshottari antra on such and such a date... I was like
scrambling to keep with you all the sophisticated computer programs....
It made me realise that when Krushnaji said something on the list hes
done such a detailed study of the planets their status etc etc etc...

On day three I had written the list of basics that was still not very
clear in my mind and Krushnaji answered each and every question of
mine in details.

I had a train to catch and time on the train to close my eyes and
think on the amount of knowledge I had received in those 3 days.

Its overwhelming and great experience.

Thank you Krushnaji.

Cheers !!!
Ash

Mahatphalam for Dashansa (D10)

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Dear Narasimha ji, Venkat ji and all,

In KAS which is also traditional, D10 is NOT used for Career. Therefore saying
that traditionally its used for Career might be incorrect.

I do know that you keep an open mind about things and I want to just highlight
the fact and some food for thought based on a tradition of KAS and its teachings
that might give some food for thought as you are a sanskrit scholar and I might
offer another chain of thinking and share what I have learnt.

D10 is Mahatphalam and that is used for studying the details about 8th house.
The 10th house is Mool Karak for 8th house so making 10 equal divisions and
studying the karaks will give you more detail about 8th house. Just as D7 is
used for 5th house, D3 for 1st house, D9 for 7th house, similarly D10 is used
for 8th house.

I am no sanskrit scholar but from whatever little has been explained to me the
word "Maha" or "Mahat" is used in sanskrit which sort of marks the ending of
things. For example Mahayatra or Mahanirvan or Mahavastra all indicate or point
towards the last yatra, or cloths that one puts before the funeral pyre or final
nirvana.

There is perfect symmetry for the divisional charts (except Trishansa and Hora
and both of them have their meaning and together they include all 7 planets).

Therefore the logic for the dcharts is based on mool karak theory i.e. the Karak
of Karak and that is the 3rd house from the house under focus. [Here I am
talking of Karaks as explained in KAS and not whats given in say in general
texts which might have become corrupted over time or the possibility is there]

For 5th house D7 is used For Sibblings D3 is used as 1st house is 5th from 9th
so ALL children of Father are seen from 1st house and the 3rd house is the mool
karak and therefore 3 equal divisons are made and hence D3.

Similarly for 10th house, D12 (happiness derived from father or till the time
the child lives with parents), D24 (when the child earns and D24 has been
alloted to be the knowledge and this knowledge is knowledge of earning a
living), D60 (Life time of achievement - in other words past life means the life
from birth till that point where the person has worked and accumulated good will
and his deeds will speak or his cummulative karma of life).

For 7th house its D9 and D45 etc etc.

I think, the use of D10 has become corrupt over time as no where this is given
that one has to see Career from D10. Mahatphalam is to be studied from D10 is
given.

I do understand that mostly on all the jyotish groups now a days one has used
D10 for finding profession, but if one is true to his or own concience then one
will study this further.

I have written several mails on this and d charts as per my learnings.

My 2 cents for what its worth and maybe you can do some thinking on this as this
knowledge I have written is from my Guru ji.

Cheers,
Ash

--- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:
>
> Namaste friends,
>
> Rohiniranjan is correct that some verses may be corrupted. We work with
> the existing versions hoping that they are mostly correct. But there are
> no guarantees.
>
> Yes, mahatphalam need not mean career. It means great fruits or great
> things received. Since traditionally D-10 is used for career in some
> circles, we go with that approach. After all, mahatphalam can be
> interpreted to mean great work or important work done by one.
>
> Other interpretations are possible and those who want can try them.
>
> What we try is a combination of understanding from various traditions
> and modern works, and understanding from available versions of BPHS.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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> --- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, Venkat Rao
> wrote:
> >
> > Pranaam Rohiniranjan ji,
> >
> > Since Narasimhaji is the member/owner of  this group and all his
> > followers might be interested in his reply on an important topic this
> > question was posted in this group.The query was directed only to
> > Narasimhaji.Of course ,others can contribute if they have useful info
> > and only if their answers are relevant,escpecially when they are not
> > addressed in the header.FYI ,there are numerous ways to address the
> > group eg.Namaste all,Dear Friends,Pranaam all,Hello all etc.
> >
> > Â I should say you have a history of killing discussion/replies from
> > group owner and other members by diverting the thread and of course
> > your response is always irrelevant to the question asked.For
> > example,in this case you havent taken a stand until now  on whether
> > the word Mahatphalam indicates Profession or not?
> >
> > you  had initially asked me to "verify from the original shlokas".I
> > did not bring the word "Original Shlokas" into this thread.Let me
> > write here again what you said-
> >
> > "Please verify from the original slokas, but what I recall is that in
> > BPHS the directive/recommendation is something like this. From such
> > and such varga, see/examine this or that aspect of the [Human
> > experience]."
> >
> >
> > Now you are saying original shlokas are known to only Parasara and
> > Maitreya and nobody has recorded them.Mp3 Â blah blah blah
> > stupidity.If you dont believe that the available shlokas in BPHS as
> > original shlokas  and see them as Suspicious material,you are
> > indirectly accusing Shri Narasimha Ji who wrote his book  and writing
> > his articles based mainly on the shlokas from Brihat Parasara Hora
> > Sastram.
> >
> > Time and again ,you are seen questioning the originality of BPHS which
> > means you are questioning Narasimha ji and his followers.
> >
> > If you have anything useful to contribute,you may continue answering Â
> > ,only but after the question asked/requested by me.I am not interested
> > in your "points to ponder" style of writing which comes without
> > answering the main question.
> >
> > Thanking you,
> >
> > VenkatRao
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: rohinicrystal
> > To: JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [JyotishGroup] Re: Compelling and Important Question on
> > Dashamamasa
> >
> >
> > Â Dear Venkat_bhai,
> >
> > Although your question/message was directed at Narasimha, it was
> > posted publicly and hence can be responded to by any and all members!
> > If you wanted a private and personal response, you would have written
> > to him privately! Simple common sense derivation!! Right?
> >
> > Like I said, 'Mahatphalam (the second 'h' is significant!) to me
> > implied and implies ACME! PEAKS!! Height of expression!!!
> >
> > The *original* slokas in BPHS were verbal discourses between Parashara
> > and Maitraya. They did not use (or perhaps did not have!) audio
> > recording, MP3 or WAV or WMA etc back then! How can you then so
> > bravely claim that you are privy to the ORIGINAL SHLOKAS? :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rohiniranjan
> >
> > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Venkat Rao
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Pranaam Rohini Ji
> >>
> >> I am writing here only after going through the original shlokas.
> >>
> >> I am not talking about varied intrepretations by others here on
> >> vargas or how to use them.Narasimha ji in this book has explained how
> >> varga charts should be used .
> >>
> >> My only question is about the word  "Mahatphalam" .It is taken to
> >> mean " Profession" and Narasimha ji also uses it to study profession.
> >>
> >> I dont know  what you mean by "ACME"
> >>
> >> My question was addressed to Narasimhaji  but you have intervened
> >> but did not address the core question."Mahatpalam".In important
> >> matters,i seek guidance from Guruji only .
> >>
> >> I hope Narasimhaji will clear the doubt.
> >>
> >> Thanking you,
> >>
> >> VenkatRao
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: rohinicrystal
> >> To: JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:41 AM
> >> Subject: [JyotishGroup] Re: Compelling and Important Question on
> >> Dashamamasa
> >>
> >>
> >>  Dear Venkat Rao_ji,
> >>
> >> Please verify from the original slokas, but what I recall is that in
> >> BPHS the directive/recommendation is something like this. From such
> >> and such varga, see/examine this or that aspect of the [Human
> >> experience].
> >>
> >> I have always understood that to mean that in a given varga, in the
> >> relevant house, the factor is more apparent or visible! The house
> >> indications being as per kshetra varga or sign chart.
> >>
> >> The 7th house in navamsha or the 5th house in saptamamsha...
> >>
> >> But there are many other interpretations as well.
> >>
> >> If my interpretation and understanding has been correct, then
> >> dashamsha might show the ACMEs...
> >>
> >> That said, I have also heard that not all individuals do manage to
> >> tap into V10, V20, or for that matter V24, etc. ...!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rohiniranjan
>

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Dear RR ji,

Re-reading your email more carefully, let me write a few more lines or to
clarify your words of "material acquisition" from 2nd house.



2nd house is for wealth or dhan sthan of 1st. So its not only material
acquisiton. You will know this that back in old days, a gyani person was
considered wealthy?

So KARAK for 2nd house is 9th house i.e. Sagittarius and dhan karak or karak of
2nd house is Guru and Mool Karak is Moon.

Now kshetra kundali as you know shows all things so to focus on specific area
you cast the respective varg chart and then focus on those areas w.r.t age of
the native.

So D4 is studying dhan and that is at the physical level, D16 at mental level so
enjoyments or comforts and discomforts etc so a description of mental feelings
and D40 is at a much later stage in life where one is studying good will which
is at a very different level if you get what I am trying to express. There is
difference between a) owning / renting a home b) enjoying a home c) good will
of the renters. So good will is also a form of wealth albiet at a different
level as compared to D4 and D16.

Cheers !!!
Ash