Mahatphalam for Dashansa (D10)

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Dear Narasimha ji, Venkat ji and all,

In KAS which is also traditional, D10 is NOT used for Career. Therefore saying
that traditionally its used for Career might be incorrect.

I do know that you keep an open mind about things and I want to just highlight
the fact and some food for thought based on a tradition of KAS and its teachings
that might give some food for thought as you are a sanskrit scholar and I might
offer another chain of thinking and share what I have learnt.

D10 is Mahatphalam and that is used for studying the details about 8th house.
The 10th house is Mool Karak for 8th house so making 10 equal divisions and
studying the karaks will give you more detail about 8th house. Just as D7 is
used for 5th house, D3 for 1st house, D9 for 7th house, similarly D10 is used
for 8th house.

I am no sanskrit scholar but from whatever little has been explained to me the
word "Maha" or "Mahat" is used in sanskrit which sort of marks the ending of
things. For example Mahayatra or Mahanirvan or Mahavastra all indicate or point
towards the last yatra, or cloths that one puts before the funeral pyre or final
nirvana.

There is perfect symmetry for the divisional charts (except Trishansa and Hora
and both of them have their meaning and together they include all 7 planets).

Therefore the logic for the dcharts is based on mool karak theory i.e. the Karak
of Karak and that is the 3rd house from the house under focus. [Here I am
talking of Karaks as explained in KAS and not whats given in say in general
texts which might have become corrupted over time or the possibility is there]

For 5th house D7 is used For Sibblings D3 is used as 1st house is 5th from 9th
so ALL children of Father are seen from 1st house and the 3rd house is the mool
karak and therefore 3 equal divisons are made and hence D3.

Similarly for 10th house, D12 (happiness derived from father or till the time
the child lives with parents), D24 (when the child earns and D24 has been
alloted to be the knowledge and this knowledge is knowledge of earning a
living), D60 (Life time of achievement - in other words past life means the life
from birth till that point where the person has worked and accumulated good will
and his deeds will speak or his cummulative karma of life).

For 7th house its D9 and D45 etc etc.

I think, the use of D10 has become corrupt over time as no where this is given
that one has to see Career from D10. Mahatphalam is to be studied from D10 is
given.

I do understand that mostly on all the jyotish groups now a days one has used
D10 for finding profession, but if one is true to his or own concience then one
will study this further.

I have written several mails on this and d charts as per my learnings.

My 2 cents for what its worth and maybe you can do some thinking on this as this
knowledge I have written is from my Guru ji.

Cheers,
Ash

--- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Narasimha PVR Rao wrote:
>
> Namaste friends,
>
> Rohiniranjan is correct that some verses may be corrupted. We work with
> the existing versions hoping that they are mostly correct. But there are
> no guarantees.
>
> Yes, mahatphalam need not mean career. It means great fruits or great
> things received. Since traditionally D-10 is used for career in some
> circles, we go with that approach. After all, mahatphalam can be
> interpreted to mean great work or important work done by one.
>
> Other interpretations are possible and those who want can try them.
>
> What we try is a combination of understanding from various traditions
> and modern works, and understanding from available versions of BPHS.
>
> Best regards,
> Narasimha
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> --- In vedic-astrology@yahoogroups.com, Venkat Rao
> wrote:
> >
> > Pranaam Rohiniranjan ji,
> >
> > Since Narasimhaji is the member/owner of  this group and all his
> > followers might be interested in his reply on an important topic this
> > question was posted in this group.The query was directed only to
> > Narasimhaji.Of course ,others can contribute if they have useful info
> > and only if their answers are relevant,escpecially when they are not
> > addressed in the header.FYI ,there are numerous ways to address the
> > group eg.Namaste all,Dear Friends,Pranaam all,Hello all etc.
> >
> > Â I should say you have a history of killing discussion/replies from
> > group owner and other members by diverting the thread and of course
> > your response is always irrelevant to the question asked.For
> > example,in this case you havent taken a stand until now  on whether
> > the word Mahatphalam indicates Profession or not?
> >
> > you  had initially asked me to "verify from the original shlokas".I
> > did not bring the word "Original Shlokas" into this thread.Let me
> > write here again what you said-
> >
> > "Please verify from the original slokas, but what I recall is that in
> > BPHS the directive/recommendation is something like this. From such
> > and such varga, see/examine this or that aspect of the [Human
> > experience]."
> >
> >
> > Now you are saying original shlokas are known to only Parasara and
> > Maitreya and nobody has recorded them.Mp3 Â blah blah blah
> > stupidity.If you dont believe that the available shlokas in BPHS as
> > original shlokas  and see them as Suspicious material,you are
> > indirectly accusing Shri Narasimha Ji who wrote his book  and writing
> > his articles based mainly on the shlokas from Brihat Parasara Hora
> > Sastram.
> >
> > Time and again ,you are seen questioning the originality of BPHS which
> > means you are questioning Narasimha ji and his followers.
> >
> > If you have anything useful to contribute,you may continue answering Â
> > ,only but after the question asked/requested by me.I am not interested
> > in your "points to ponder" style of writing which comes without
> > answering the main question.
> >
> > Thanking you,
> >
> > VenkatRao
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: rohinicrystal
> > To: JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Monday, August 1, 2011 11:03 AM
> > Subject: [JyotishGroup] Re: Compelling and Important Question on
> > Dashamamasa
> >
> >
> > Â Dear Venkat_bhai,
> >
> > Although your question/message was directed at Narasimha, it was
> > posted publicly and hence can be responded to by any and all members!
> > If you wanted a private and personal response, you would have written
> > to him privately! Simple common sense derivation!! Right?
> >
> > Like I said, 'Mahatphalam (the second 'h' is significant!) to me
> > implied and implies ACME! PEAKS!! Height of expression!!!
> >
> > The *original* slokas in BPHS were verbal discourses between Parashara
> > and Maitraya. They did not use (or perhaps did not have!) audio
> > recording, MP3 or WAV or WMA etc back then! How can you then so
> > bravely claim that you are privy to the ORIGINAL SHLOKAS? :-)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Rohiniranjan
> >
> > --- In JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com, Venkat Rao
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Pranaam Rohini Ji
> >>
> >> I am writing here only after going through the original shlokas.
> >>
> >> I am not talking about varied intrepretations by others here on
> >> vargas or how to use them.Narasimha ji in this book has explained how
> >> varga charts should be used .
> >>
> >> My only question is about the word  "Mahatphalam" .It is taken to
> >> mean " Profession" and Narasimha ji also uses it to study profession.
> >>
> >> I dont know  what you mean by "ACME"
> >>
> >> My question was addressed to Narasimhaji  but you have intervened
> >> but did not address the core question."Mahatpalam".In important
> >> matters,i seek guidance from Guruji only .
> >>
> >> I hope Narasimhaji will clear the doubt.
> >>
> >> Thanking you,
> >>
> >> VenkatRao
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> From: rohinicrystal
> >> To: JyotishGroup@yahoogroups.com
> >> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 7:41 AM
> >> Subject: [JyotishGroup] Re: Compelling and Important Question on
> >> Dashamamasa
> >>
> >>
> >>  Dear Venkat Rao_ji,
> >>
> >> Please verify from the original slokas, but what I recall is that in
> >> BPHS the directive/recommendation is something like this. From such
> >> and such varga, see/examine this or that aspect of the [Human
> >> experience].
> >>
> >> I have always understood that to mean that in a given varga, in the
> >> relevant house, the factor is more apparent or visible! The house
> >> indications being as per kshetra varga or sign chart.
> >>
> >> The 7th house in navamsha or the 5th house in saptamamsha...
> >>
> >> But there are many other interpretations as well.
> >>
> >> If my interpretation and understanding has been correct, then
> >> dashamsha might show the ACMEs...
> >>
> >> That said, I have also heard that not all individuals do manage to
> >> tap into V10, V20, or for that matter V24, etc. ...!
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Rohiniranjan
>

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Re: Compelling and Important Question on Dashamamasa

Dear RR ji,

Re-reading your email more carefully, let me write a few more lines or to
clarify your words of "material acquisition" from 2nd house.



2nd house is for wealth or dhan sthan of 1st. So its not only material
acquisiton. You will know this that back in old days, a gyani person was
considered wealthy?

So KARAK for 2nd house is 9th house i.e. Sagittarius and dhan karak or karak of
2nd house is Guru and Mool Karak is Moon.

Now kshetra kundali as you know shows all things so to focus on specific area
you cast the respective varg chart and then focus on those areas w.r.t age of
the native.

So D4 is studying dhan and that is at the physical level, D16 at mental level so
enjoyments or comforts and discomforts etc so a description of mental feelings
and D40 is at a much later stage in life where one is studying good will which
is at a very different level if you get what I am trying to express. There is
difference between a) owning / renting a home b) enjoying a home c) good will
of the renters. So good will is also a form of wealth albiet at a different
level as compared to D4 and D16.

Cheers !!!
Ash

BPHS and Meenaraja Hora - Verse 8th lord in 8th house viewed through the eyes of KAS - II

From: Ash's Corner@ashtro.ca [mailto:kas@ashtro.ca]
Sent: Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:36 PM
To: 'ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com'
Subject: RE: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thank you for your mail.

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

From: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com [mailto:ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sreenadh
Sent: Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM
To: ancient_indian_astrology@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [ancient_indian_astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

Dear Ash ji,
Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -
* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8^th house is weak, it means that the native’s individuality is very weak. This is the basic point. There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the “birth of a question” instead of “birth of a native”, so Prashna is application of Jyotish to a “question” and limited to the question only. The Prashna question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8^th house matter.

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8^th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together), means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1^st) inflicted.

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C i.e. if we are talking of 8^th house as the house under focus, then if any planet aspects 3^rd house (A), 8^th house (B) or 12^th house (C) then those planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8^th house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me also have very long MD’s so if they cannot give death and will only give struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u stronger J So again what I am saying and what “Traditional Jyotish” is very much the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet for any house, then we already have considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10 relationship

4) Give special status to 6^th and 10^th lords (D and E) by adding 5 points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8^th, 3^rd and 12^th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per classics.

* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much depend on environment and influences.

Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power planet can give death or 1^st or 5^th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is important and so is Mool Karak so 3^rd lord and 10^th lord, natural 3^rd is Me and Natural 10^th is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10^th house can have iccha mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily points.

I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta’s list closure (death) was done by me on this list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.

Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).
Love and regards,
Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture. Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said, if Guru and Mercury aspect 8^th house then these planets cannot give death, therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions). Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD’s .